the katie couric stuff gets people interested. now i have seen in the last 24 hours that john mccain people responding, wallace and greed because she says it is not true. you have this back and forth. she will get into that bus and get stuck talking about the past. host: will she run in 2012? guest: she may have may gamble to sell a lot of books and make money, but i do think she wants to? . there will be a lot of people telling her to run. guest: no. she got out of the governorship because of her family. she has levi over there and all that soap opera stuff. if she gets into it they will be right back into that. i think she would be very strong now. [laughter] she has a real, is very exciting. the washington press corps is obsess with her. i would stay with that. she can do a tremendous amount of good for the causes she believes in. but if she runs, if you go up there and do not wind -- like me, it is different afterwards. host: callehost: and who won? [laughter] guest: they are still counting. host: let's go to will head, ariz.